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Topic: What does pneumonia feel like?
Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Subject: What does pneumonia feel like?
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 8:42pm
I posted earlier this year because I had gotten very ill for weeks after being exposed to someone at a buffet.  About a month ago I came down with something nasty again, however I have not been tested.  Doctors here are really not testing people unless they are critically ill.
 
My symptoms a month back were really bad all except for my lungs which were managable.  I had coughing a bit, but nothing really bad.  I stayed home from school until symptoms passed, which was about a week or so back.  My schoolwork suffered big time, so I've been trying to catch up.  Unfortunately I only started to feel better for a few days, then I slipped again.  Now I seem to have resperatory problems the most.
 
This morning I woke up and it was hard to take more than half breaths.  I spent about an hour and a half coughing very very frequently and hard.  My lungs had this feeling of a combination of pain and a tickle when I'd try to breath more than that.  After about an hour and a half and some halls cough drops, I finally started to clear things out and have been having intermittent coughs with stuff coming up virtually non stop.
 
I also have a bit of an odd smell coming up with coughs now, I don't know how to explain it aside from being musky.  I am able to take full breaths without tickles or pains.  I've gotten some chills here and there today, but oddly enough my temp is stable unlike before.
 
So I guess my question is, what should I be looking out for here?  I have a feeling when I go to bed tonight my lungs are going to get worse again as I've been clearing my throat and coughing almost every 30 seconds all day which has helped a lot.  What is pneumonia like?  I do not want to overreact at all, so I'm looking for experiences.  I've personally never had it as far as i know.



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Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 9:14pm
You should really get checked by a dr. tell them your are worried you have pneumonia.  My friend had bronchitis for years, but she developed pneumonia, and she died because they didn't catch it til it was too late.  Here is a link on walking pneumonia
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/common/infections/common/pneumonia/931.html

There is also a video on that link that talks about pneumonia that is very helpful!

You can check your symptoms on www.webmd.com with the symptom checker!  I hope you feel better soon, pneumonia is nothing to fool with!



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Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: November 05 2009 at 10:36pm
Thanks for the link and info.  Considering that the docs are not checking for H1N1, I am actually really paranoid about going to the doctors office in the event that I can get exposed to even more germs.  When I was sick in the late spring I did not have a lab confirm of H1N1, and I still do no know for sure if that's what I've been dealing with for the past month. 
 
At this late at night, I'd have to goto an urgent card or ER room just to get checked out.  I've heard that the area is over saturated with people "overreacting" about H1N1, so I don't want to be one of those folks either. 
 
Is there any other explanation for having to continue to cough / clear your throat of gunk continually?  I wish I could blame nasal drip but my sinuses are dry, this all feels like it's coming from my airway.  It also feels like the gunk gets half way past whatever the flap is that seperates the esophogas and windpipe, only to get stuck there or slip back down into my lungs.  I continue to try to swallow, even with food, but either it's never actually moving down or I continue to bring stuff up from the lungs.  I can't seem to cough this stuff up now. 
 
How old was your friend btw? 


Posted By: sleusha
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 4:50am
It's not overreacting to get checked out by a doctor if you are noticing a change in your breathing pattern such as you have noticed. 
 
That could signal a serious problem that needs treatment.  You certainly sound like you need a chest x-ray, and you really shouldn't (corrected) delay a doctor's visit.
 
Please keep us posted on hour you're doing.  If you are having trouble breathing (taking in your normal breath of air), and/or coughing up foul smelling phlegm, those are two really good reasons to have yourself checked out. 


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 6:52am
My friend was 37 when she died it really hit me hard.  She was a nurse also, so i couldn't believe that she wouldn't know some of the signs of pneumonia, but she was in the hospital, and they were treating her for bronchitis which she has always had since I can remember!  I have another friend that has bronchitis year around, and right now she sounds horrible, I keep telling her to go to the hospital, because of what happen to my other friend. 

I'd rather be safe then sorry so you need to go!  Wear a face mask call ahead of time tell them your concern and how long it's been going on, they can't turn you away!

Keep us posted!


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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"(Heb.11:1)


Posted By: Silke
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 8:10am

Productive cough, particularly green or yellow in color and thick in consistency, difficulty breathing or feeling of being unable to get a deep breath,  rapid breathing,  sharp/tight/aching chest or rib pain, fatigue, lack of appetite, with or without fever should be evaluated by a physician. 

You need a chest xray, sputum culture and antibiotics at this point.  Please do not hesitate to see your health care provider.  Bronchitis or pneumonia needs to be treated properly.
 
Hope you feel better, soon.
 
ETA: added info


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 8:31am
I think what sleusha meant to say is you really shouldn't delay going to the doctor.  There are times when we wait it out and there are times when we buck up and go.  This is a time for you to go on in.  Like sleusha said, you would greatly benefit from a chest xray.  If nothing else going and getting checked out will give you peace of mind. 
 
Please let us know how you are feeling when you can. 


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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 8:35am

Walking pneumonia: What does it mean?

What is walking pneumonia? How is it different from regular pneumonia?

Answer

from Edward C. Rosenow III, M.D.

Walking pneumonia is an informal term for pneumonia that isn't severe enough to require bed rest or hospitalization. When you have walking pneumonia, you're still able to walk around and maybe even work. Chances are you won't see a doctor for your mild symptoms. If you do see a doctor, you may not seem sick enough to need a chest X-ray, which is the only way to diagnose any kind of pneumonia. As a result, walking pneumonia tends not to be diagnosed as pneumonia unless it progresses to a more severe form, which is unusual.

Walking pneumonia is often caused by Mycoplasma pneumoniae, a species of bacteria. Symptoms of Mycoplasma pneumonia are often milder and appear more gradually than do those of other types of pneumonia. When needed, treatment is with antibiotics. Viral pneumonia also can be very mild and may be referred to as walking pneumonia, particularly in children and adolescents.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/walking-pneumonia/AN00137 - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/walking-pneumonia/AN00137
 
 
Pneumonia:Symptoms

Pneumonia symptoms can vary greatly, depending on any underlying conditions you may have and the type of organism causing the infection. Pneumonia often mimics the flu, beginning with a cough and a fever, so you may not realize you have a more serious condition.

Common signs and symptoms of pneumonia may include:

  • Fever
  • Cough
  • Shortness of breath
  • Sweating
  • Shaking chills
  • Chest pain that fluctuates with breathing (pleurisy)
  • Headache
  • Muscle pain
  • Fatigue

Ironically, people in high-risk groups such as older adults and people with chronic illnesses or weakened immune systems may have fewer or milder symptoms than less vulnerable people do. And instead of having the high fever that often characterizes pneumonia, older adults may even have a lower than normal temperature.

When to see a doctor
Because pneumonia can be life-threatening, see your doctor as soon as possible if you have a persistent cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, unexplained fever especially a lasting fever of 102 F (38.9 C) or higher with chills and sweating or if you suddenly feel worse after a cold or the flu.

Be especially prompt about seeking medical care if you're an older adult or you smoke, drink excessively, have an injury, are undergoing chemotherapy or take medication such as prednisone that suppresses your immune system. For some older adults and people with heart failure or lung ailments, pneumonia can quickly become a life-threatening condition.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pneumonia/DS00135/DSECTION=symptoms - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pneumonia/DS00135/DSECTION=symptoms


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Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 4:02pm
If you are experiencing difficulty breathing you need to seek medical attention. You probably have an infection so dont delay in getting medication you may need. Good luck to you.


Posted By: sleusha
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 5:11pm
Please keep us updated.


Posted By: Diego
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 6:10pm
Hope you went to the Dr. At the very least you might have a sinus infection that could be causing the musky smell.


Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 3:48pm
CRyan Im checking in on you. How are you doing..?


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 4:10pm
I had pneumonia a few years ago and it was one of those illnesses when you say "please just let me go ahead and die now and take me out of my misery" LOL, seriously, it is no fun, I think that was the sickest I have ever been. Fever, muscle aches, very tired and weak, hard to breathe, felt like I had a brick or weight on my chest, it felt like a pressure on my chest, my ribs hurt so bad from coughing. I was on 3 different antibiotics and steroids before it finally cleared up, Cipro was the antibiotic that finally cleared it up. It took about 5-6 weeks to fully recover, feeling like normal again. I have asthma and my nebulizer treatments at home didn't seem to help at all, although I'm sure they did, but at the beginning it didn't seem to help. The steroid breathing treatment they gave me in the ER helped as well as a steroid shot and Rocephin (sp?), but I was back into see the doctor a couple more times as the oral antibiotics didn't work at first, after the third type of antibiotics it started working.


Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 6:31pm
I had a very bad case of Pneumonia when I was 38.  My symptoms were, I had pain in my shoulders, could only sleep with a fan on my face, no fever, no cough.  I was in the hospital for 7 days they had me in ICU for the first day and took liquid off my lungs the day I entered into the ICU.
 
No real indication I had pneumonia other than the x-ray my doctor took and the fact I was so out of it I really don't remember going into the hospital!!
 
Pneumonia is nothing to fool with!


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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 6:52pm
When my son was 6 yrs old he had double pneumonia.  I've never EVER seen him or anyone at that point that sick before.  He was lifeless, totally lathargic.  Zero energy, slept all the time, heavy cough, right before we took him to the ER he coughed up green/yellow gunk and it had some minor streaks of blood in it.  He had a fever in the beginning but strangely his fever went down and through the time he was sick was either non existant or low grade, but in the beginning it was very high 103 to 104.  I think the thing that scared us most was just the sleeping ALL THE TIME.  He would even sleep sitting straight up.  That might not be a big deal to parents who have kids that'll fall asleep at the dinner table or just about anywhere but it was NOT like our son.  He also would hardly eat.  There was days that it seemed like he improved and would eat a whole meal and we'd get so encouraged, but then he'd plummet later that same day or the next.  We had him to the pedi 2x before we gave up and took him to the ER, needless to say we switched pedi's.  The first thing the ER did was a chest xray and several hours later, informed us that he had double pneumonia and was going to be admitted.  I'd just been to the pedi that day and he'd given me the brush off saying it was probably bronchitis to give him the weekend... this was a Friday, we took him to the ER Friday night, he was in the hosptial 4 days and 3 nights, 1 week before Christmas.
 
I think we learned a lot from that experience, even though we'd both agree it was one of the worst we can remember.  It was that year the seasonal flu was really bad and many people died, young and old, 2003.  Remember the next year, 2004, there was a vaccine shortage.
 
We should have listened to our instincts.  Although I did keep taking him back to the pedi, I knew something was wrong, I just let that dr talk me into "waiting it out". 


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Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 7:18pm
My friend has pneumonia right now, and it's getting worse complicatons of the H1N1 plus she has underlying conditions.  Also blood clots in her arms, legs, and lung.  They said the infection was some better, but the pneumonia was getting worse!  I am really worried about her! She is in her 50's & a school teacher! Please say some prayers for my friend!

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Posted By: sleusha
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 7:33pm
I have two friends at work who have been out for a week, one with pneumonia and one with a severe case of flu.
 
My husband has a friend from work who has also been out for a week.. very sick with flu.
 
It seems like everyone knows someone who is (or has been) extremely ill as a result of this flu.  It's definitely the worst I've ever seen in my lifetime. 
 
I keep thinking this thing should be ending soon, but it just seems like more and more people keep getting really sick. 


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 7:36pm
The scary thing is there is no end in sight, this started back in March!

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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"(Heb.11:1)


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 7:52pm
Sorry to hear about your friend Bethbo, will definitely keep her in my thoughts and prayers, keep us updated.  From your post it sounds like she's in the hospital, yes?

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Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 8:19pm
Yes she has been in there for a few days! Her son keeps us posted! Thank you for the prayers!

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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"(Heb.11:1)


Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 7:17am
Bethbo we have lost a few nurses and teachers already to this horrible disease. Where is she located ? Best wishes and prayers for your friend. I will say some prayers for her and hope she is healed soon.


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 8:02am
Hi Babygirl she lives in Columbiana County.  She has had pneumonia a few times before the H1N1, so I hope she still has some big fight in her! She is a tough one, but this flu is really strong! Thank you for the prayers.  

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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"(Heb.11:1)


Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 2:05pm
Ohio. Thank you. Did she have pneumonia this year or during a previous flu season. ?


Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 2:21pm
Just checking in, I spoke to an urgent care center and they were unable to offer medical advice aside from saying that a chest xray can determine if I have pneumonia if ordered.  I'm not on my butt, so based off my conversation at worst right now I'd have walking pneumonia. 
 
I did have another morning where it was hard to take more than half a breath, but that cleared up again after a lot of coughing and forced deep breaths.  My mom was telling me that there is also a condition where the lining of the lung gets irritated and less elastic, and perhaps that could be causing problems.  I'm not sure.
 
The tickling feeling is primarily in my neck at this point, it feels like there is gunk that just gets stuck in either my voicebox or the flap that divides windpipe / esophogas.  I'm really not sure what to make of it but it is very annoying.  All day every day I have been trying to clear it, all that my attempts seem to do is just irritate my throat.  Coughing is starting to make my lungs / ribs hurt too, although coughing is not my main issue. 
 
I'm also not able to produce anything with my coughs it seems, they sound a little wheezy during a cough though.  When I listen to my breathing by cupping my hands directly to one of my ears, it sounds perfectly normal no crackling sounds or anything. 
 
One of my #1 concerns about going to get the xray is just being around other really sick people.  I've read that pneumonia can be triggered by bacteria, viruses, fungus, even irritants like chemicals.  I am not dying here right now, last night was a little bad because I had trouble sleeping from it but I am not stuck on the couch begging for death. 
 
What do you all think?  Is it worth the risk of being exposed to more germs?  It doesn't seem like I'll have any way to get tested for H1N1 unless I was going to be hospitalized.


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 2:24pm
Yes Ohio, she had it last year, and again not too long ago this year can't say exactly what month, and now she has it again from the H1N1.


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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"(Heb.11:1)


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 2:26pm
Can't you go to the ER say later in the night or wee hours of the morning to get the X-ray when less people may be in there?  Wear a face mask tell them you don't want to be around anyone.  Don't put it off!

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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"(Heb.11:1)


Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 3:03pm
Beth I will be thinking of her. Please check in with us and tell us how she is doing.

Ryan if it were me or my child I would get an antibiotic just in case. During this flu season they are are aware of complications and readily prescribing them.

A walk in treatment would see you quickly and if you are already sick I wouldnt worry too much about the germs or just distance yourself if others are sick around you. Face masks can be worn also.


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 3:09pm
ChicagoRyan, I'm with Bethbo... wear a mask... ask if you can sit in your car or just outside and they call your cell when it's your turn... something, you don't have to feel like knocking on death's door to have pneumonia that was just some of our examples of how bad it can get. 
 
I'm not saying that's what you have... it could be bronchitis, in which case you'd need antibiotics too (some disagree with that, I know plenty of dr's who think bronchitis will get better w/o antibiotics) but either way... wouldn't you like to know for sure?  But if it is pneumonia, you don't want to wait around letting it settle more and more into your lungs. 
 
You have options, dr's office.. walk in clinic... ER... How many days has it been now that you've been sick?  I wouldn't worry so much with getting the H1N1 test I'd want that chest xray.


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Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 4:26pm
Babygirl her son just said her Temperature is down, Tamiflu course is over. White blood cells down again. So we hope that it means she is healing.

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Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 4:28pm
That is great news. Maybe our prayers are working. It sounds like she is turning the corner.


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 4:30pm
Yes I believe in the power of prayer, please keep them coming! 

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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 7:35pm
ChicagoRyan, if you don't get some antibiotics it could develop into pneumonia, if you do not have pnuemonia already. You really need to get checked out by a doctor to see what it is. Since you are already sick, chances are when you go in they may make YOU wear a face mask since you have possible flu symptoms, and people tend to try to stay away from people wearing the masks (at least when I have seen them they have) so you might not have too many worries about that aspect of the trip to the doctor. Or waiting outside, like someone else suggested, would be a good idea. My doctor always prescribes antibiotics for any type of bronchitis, upper respiratory infection, pnuemonia and always tells me "it's good you came in, the longer you wait the worse it's going to get, it's not going to get better without antibiotics".


Posted By: Bridgette
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 8:15pm
I had pneumonia couple of years ago so I remember it very well. It all happened very fast. I was at the airport with my family returning to Finland checking in with the luggages. All sudden I started to feel very very thirsty. I bought 2 bottles of coca and drank them greedily.We managed to get to the passport queue when I started to shake and shiver all over. I felt dizzy and felt like I cannot stand up no longer but I had to(queue). After that for the disappointment of my older daughter I just wanted to get straight to the gate (and skip the tax free shops). I remember sitting in the floor, shaking and shivering all over feeling very very ill. My younger daughter was a little baby and wanted to be held by me which wasn't easy. I took all kinds of ibuprofens and paracetamol's I could possibly find from my bag with no help. Eventually we sat down in a plane my baby sitting on my lap. I was shaking and shivering all the way back to Finland (few hours) and it was middle of the night as we got home after Christmas.I had temperature 39.6 deg. The following morning I went to health center, CRP was something between 200-300 and the nurse told me that : "You are very ill". Oh as if I didn't know that!They took Thorax too and diagnose was there: pneumonia.The doctor wanted to send me into the central hospital but I asked whether I could have my medicines home. He agreed and penicillin helped quite soon. Another thorax had to be taken after some time to see there is all ok .

So I had no pain in my chest, no breathing difficulties (like I normally get when there is any respiratory infection) or no cough. Just sudden shaky fever and dizzy feeling that somethings going on.


Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 2:26pm
I have a doctor appointment tomorrow afternoon, they don't have an X-ray machine but they're in the same building as an urgent care center which does have one.  It will be cheaper copay wise to go through the doctors office vs going into urgent care.
 
Also I haven't mentioned this here yet but I have eye infections now too.  Based off my research, it seems to be something called angular Blepharitis.  I started getting really really heavy crusties in my eyes, and when I picked one of them off the corner I realized it was actually a scab.  I've had pinkeye before, but never this.  It hurts, and now it seems be irritating my sinuses and throat.
 
From what I understand, staph, herpes, and other bugs can cause it.  I'm 99.9% sure I have not been exposed to herpes, and have been in a committed relationship for 3 years.  Can H1N1 make it into the eyes??


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 2:29pm
I believe someone posted info somewhere... SFP, I think... where conjunctivitis can occur with H1N1.  Can someone help me find that thread?

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Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 2:46pm
I just did some google searching and it looks like you're right... ugh now I'm getting a bit freaked out by all of this. :(
 
http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-forum/swine-flu-conjunctivitis-410981.html - http://allnurses.com/pandemic-flu-forum/swine-flu-conjunctivitis-410981.html
http://www.health.am/ab/more/swine-flu-swine-influenza-a-h1n1-virus/ - http://www.health.am/ab/more/swine-flu-swine-influenza-a-h1n1-virus/
 
The worst part about this eye stuff is it is difficult and irritating to even look around, and my eyelids feel just gritty, gross, and tight.  It almost feels like my tear ducts are hardly working, but they have to be considering the my sinuses are reacting a bit. 
 
I guess the good news is since I didn't goto the urgent care center, I know whatever I'm dealing with is what was already in or around me.  I'm really looking forward to my doctor appt tomorrow, I'm really hoping for an all clear on the lungs despite what is going on. 
 
I tend to get a little bit worked up about the idea of being hospitalized, or put under.  I am terrified of stuff like paralytics and anesthetics, and have never allowed a doctor to put me under.  I can't even tell you how afraid I am of the idea of being put on a ventilator, or the concept of having to be weened off of one.  It's like pure panic inducing thought for me.
 
I know I'm going way ahead of myself here, but I'm curious if anyone has ever had a paralytic before like those they give you for intubation.  Do you still know what is going on, or does it put you out?  Do you dream?  I have two really scary ideas about it, either that you are paralyzed and aware and just stuck in a state of pure panic, or that you are stuck with the potential of horrible nightmares that you cannot escape. 


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 3:03pm
ChicagoRyan... I found the post I was talking about... here's a link to it, read the whole thing through as the first part is a little off topic...
 
http://www.swineflu.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=30777&KW=conjunctivitis - http://www.swineflu.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=30777&KW=conjunctivitis


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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 3:09pm
You are getting way too ahead of yourself.  I'm guilty of it too, but we both know it does us no good to let toxic thoughts rule our minds. 
 
My stepfather has been on a vent 2x in his life and he remembers nothing from either experience.  Maybe gardener can explain better about the meds people are put on to keep them comfortable.... but again, these are things you don't need to concern yourself with...  even if you had H1N1 w/ pneumonia still doesn't automatically qualify you for a vent... people can get over pneumonia, they are doing it all the time.. some at home... some in a hospital with IV antibiotics and fluids.  Don't think the worst... let us know what the Dr says tomorrow. 


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Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 3:32pm
Thanks for the link, and sorry for getting worked up.  I just don't like the idea that I spent so much time sick, then started feeling a little better, only to slip back into really bad sickness again.  I read so many reports warning that feeling better then getting sick again is a bad sign. 
 
I was just talking to my mom about it, but I'm feeling so exhausted from all of this.  My energy level is falling fast, I asked my girlfriend twice if I was waking up at night because I feel like I'm only getting 2-3 hours of sleep when I've been sleeping for 8. 
 
I'm also so overwhelmed with stress.  I'm an honor roll student at college, but this semester everything is falling apart.  I just received a pretty careless email from one teacher where she responded to my request for an incomplete grade by saying that she can only offer one if I get her written documention on all of my absences.  It's just very stressful and irritating, I don't feel that even at a school level the administrators are accomodating for this flu season. 
 
Anyways, I am going to jump off the computer now but I will let you all know how the doctor appointment goes.


Posted By: Bethbo
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 3:55pm
ChicagoRyan glad to hear you are going to the Dr. please keep us posted! My friend looks to be improving a little her son said the Pneumonia was a bit better today after being worse for 2 days straight. Infections appear controlled for the moment. We all keep hoping for the best.

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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 6:41pm
ChicagoRyan, we've got at least 3 members (probably more) who are college students that are away at school.  At least 1 Professor.  And lots of Mom's who have kids away at school... hoping they'll be able to see your post and offer some encouraging words!  Stress on top of being sick just stinks!  Hang in there!  You'll get through this... soon this will be a distant memory.  Hope to hear from you tomorrow when you can.

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Posted By: sleusha
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 6:45pm
ChicagoRyan, glad to see you are going to the doctor.  As sick as you have been, you really shouldn't have waited this long.  I hope all goes well for you.  The eye thing will clear up as soon as you start putting antibiotic drops in your eyes.  As for your chest, I really hope they give you a chest x-ray.  Hopefully, you can get a CBC too to check your white blood cell count. 
 
Keep us posted and take care of yourself.  Try not to let yourself feel too stressed out. 
 
Try a cup of relaxing hot tea with honey in it (chamomile).  Ask your girlfriend to make it for you and give your a back rub.  :)


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 8:22pm
Ryan, Am comforted that you are seeing a physician very soon:). Sometimes it becomes overwhelming with much new information to sort through...while feeling progressively worse.

Treat yourself well, paying close attention to staying hydrated and eating several small meals(as you can) daily. (yes, grab some apples,oranges,bananas.....) College life is not necessarily conducive to great health to begin with!! is it?!
If I may ask,do you have access to health insurance? if not, there are many work arounds. prescrip card?
It is my belief that after you've been seen properly by a Doc, given what you need to be on the road to recovery.......that you will be in a better position to rest/recover...meet with your professors in order to outline what options exist for you to collectively work towards to salvage this semester. You can do it!!

But first things first: Identify the problem
Seek and ask for help
do your part
=successful resolution

Ha! Forgive me for becoming "preachy" at a time when you feel oh so yucky.
Am having a Mom moment...my daughter is a college freshman..and I guess I'm sharing with you as I'd hope someone would with her..if she was seeking advice.

(Am not from med field, yet my gut says you have a nasty infection which has gone untreated for too long......pls let us know how your appt goes and if you think of it, jot down your symptoms/time frame .any questions for the Doc so you don't forget and if their schedule is hurried....nothing is missed.)

T4F





Posted By: sleusha
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 3:34am
If you don't have insurance, some clinics will work with you.  If you need tests at the hospital or are hospitalized, hospitals will work with you on the bill if you are not insured.  Even if you are insured and you need time to make your payments on deductible and % not covered, they'll work with you.  Just a little FYI.


Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 4:19am
The conjunctivitis is likely a viral infection. So you are doing the right thing by getting checked out. Hope you feel better soon ~


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 5:42am
Ryan, glad to hear you are going to the doctor today! Please let us know what he/she says and how you are doing. Does the University you go to have a health clinic? I know some do, the University I went to had one and saw students for really cheap, but they had a medical school connected to them, so I guess that might depend on whether your school might have one or not. Anyway, please keep us posted as to how you are doing. Drink plenty of fluids.


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 2:58pm
Ryan, hoping all is well with you today, let us know when you can. Smile

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Posted By: Pickwicky
Date Posted: November 10 2009 at 6:52pm
Hi Chic!  Just stepping in mid-stream.  Looks like you have tons of good advice here.  Try to keep the school stress to a minimum--I know how difficult that can be.  When you're feeling better, go talk to your professors, tell them how sick you've been--having a written note from a doctor might help.  If any of them treat you in a way you feel is unfair, then go to the omsbudperson and talk the matter over with him/her.  You might also review the issue with your adviser or a counselor.
 
How'd the doc visit go?  If we don't hear from you, we'll worry.


Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 11:24pm
Hi, just wanted to report back.  Saw the doctor and was immediately freaked out as there were two people at the office that sounded like their lungs were gurgling while breathing and their coughs were extremely nasty.  They were both sent down for a chest xray at the urgent care center right below.  I was sent down as well, doctor couldn't tell me exactly what I had but felt an xray was necessary. 
 
I'm still waiting on xray results, although now I'm worried about how sick those other people were.  They actually put me in the room that one of them had just left, and I heard her hacking up a lung for the 15 minutes I was in the waiting room.  If I don't have H1N1 yet, I'm sure I do now. 
 
The doctor actually agreed that it is a good thing to avoid doctors offices unless necessary due to the risk of being exposed to more germs.  Oh and here's what is most amusing at all, she told me that she just got over having body aches / chills, and had a pretty gunky cough as well.  I guess doctors have to goto work even when ill, although I was given a mask by the time she came in.
 
She also prescribed an antibiotic but I have not heard from the pharmacy yet.  I'm going to follow up tomorrow to see what happened, maybe they called the wrong pharmacy.


Posted By: Pickwicky
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 12:00am
Hi Chic--  Sounds like you walked into microbe hell.  Sure hope you don't pick up another virus.  At least, the antibiotic should cover any bacterial infections.  Keep us posted.  Remember, any sudden change for the worse, call your doctor. 


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 6:39am
Thanks so much for the update Ryan!  We like to hear back from people who post it helps others who are sick and going through the same thing and it keeps us from worrying. Smile
 
Definitely keep after the xray results and the pharmacy, take those antibiotics asap and don't stop taking them till they are all gone or the prescribed time is up, usually 10 to 14 days.  Hang in there and keep drinking twice as much fluids as you'd normally consume.  Don't push yourself too hard.  Let us know when you know more and how you are doing.


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Posted By: BabyGirl
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 6:49am
Ryan...glad you got this taken care of. This virus can turn nasty quick. My Mom's doctor was sick as well. Yikes. Anyway fluids and motrin. Hang tough.


Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 12:45am

I've been much much better, but my eyes continue to get better then later get crusted over again and really painful.  It's driving me nuts, guess I'm going to have to go to the doctor again.  I should note that I have been washing pillowcases at least every 2-3 days now to try to help, and have even washed decorative pillows from our couch as well.  Nothing seems to help, it keeps coming and going for days at a time.

I did want to ask about the vaccine.  The doctor told me that I could still go get it because I never had an official confirmation, but I'm of course worried about side effects and everything.  Thoughts?


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 6:27am
Hey ChicagoRyan, glad to hear from you.  I would probably let a doc check out the eyes again.  Did you get drops last time?  If not you might need antibiotic drops.
 
In my opinion there's nothing to fear from the vaccine.  My whole family had it and we did fine.  The most you'll get is a sore arm.  There are those that have allergic reactions within the first hour or so, but if you've ever had a vaccine before chances are very unlikely you'd be one of those rare instances.  There's risk in everything we take.  And yes there are going to be some people who may have complications... but I think they've put it at 1 in a million for guillain barre.  But keep in mind that flu viruses and other ailments can cause GB too.  If you do any one thing to millions and millions of people you're going to see some reactions. 
 
Our vaccines in the US do not have adjuvants, in other countries they do, so be careful what you read.  You can request thimerosal free vaccine... but the single dose shots are considered mercury free as well.  Some say that even the single dose have trace amounts but it's not enough to be harmful. 
 
Educate yourself and decide based on knowledge not fear.


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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 6:26pm
ChicagoRyan, my whole family has also had the vaccine and none of us had any side effects, not even a sore arm. I had it, hubby had it, my 14 year old, my oldest adult daughter, my 2 grandkids, my adult pregnant daughter. None of us had any type of side effects. They also vaccinated our whole school and I didn't hear about any side effects (small town and news travels fast) one slight fever was all I heard about from kids at school.


Posted By: ChicagoRyan
Date Posted: December 05 2009 at 10:49am

Good to hear, I'll probably get it just incase.  I guess there's no harm done if you get the vaccine even if you've already been exposed to H1N1. 

I did get the eyes checked, doc gave me some drops.  It was viral before based off the docs opinion, but now it is bacterial.  The drops seem to be helping a bit already! :)


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: December 05 2009 at 11:56am
Good News!  Yeah those antibiotic drops usually work really fast.  Hope you are 100% soon!

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Posted By: Pickwicky
Date Posted: December 05 2009 at 3:34pm
Get the vaccine Chic--you'll be glad you did.


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 8:58pm
Hello, I found this site by googling what my symptoms were...  This sounds the most like me.  You all seem like a very nice bunch, I was hoping you guys could help me a bit.  (Even if its to ease my mind..)  Now I AM Scheduling a Dr. Appointment on Monday.  The clinic that I plan to go to is not open on Sundays.  So, with that, here I go..

I am a 27 year old male, I cook for a living.  I've been over stoves and beside of my trusty bakers pride brick oven for the past 8 years.  (I bring that up because somewhere in my mind me breathing in grease and fat and smoke from the oven says this might be related...I doubt it.)  I work a LOT and am always on my feet and get plenty of exercise.  (Think Iron Chef only no hour time limit)  A few weeks ago (after stupidly smoking, which I have since quit 100%) I was having breakfast for dinner and thought I sucked down some bacon into my lungs.  I had a coughing fit and thought "I just can't get this to come up" after satisfying the feeling of choking I was fine.  Then 3 days later (Again after smoking.. I know. I know..)  I felt horrible, like my lungs were going to close up.. the feeling that I couldn't get a breath and this feeling in the back of my throat where that flap is that Ryan was talking about that I just can't cough up what ever this is.  It scared me, I mean really.  I thought maybe I was having a panic attack.  I shook all over, I got really cold and sweaty for maybe about 30 minutes.  Then I felt better and decided to sleep it off.  The next day I felt like I had been hit by a truck.  I thought maybe it was just from the coughing.  So I eat some breakfast and again.. There is that tickle in my throat and it feels like I need to cough something up.  I gag off of it from coughing so hard and spit up a bit.  (Just milk)  I decide I have some form of lung infection that was aggravated by first smoking and then drinking dairy.   I obviously lose my apatite (and have since due to random coughing) 

Over the past week I've analyzed what could possibly be wrong with me.  And I know most of you out there are saying "Why didn't this guy go to the Dr before?!"  Well I don't have insurance and don't have a lot of cash at the moment... also I'm scared if I go to the Dr I will actually GET something wrong with me from other patents.  Ok, so now that my ignorance is explained..  The next coughing fit I had I noticed a gurgle in my chest followed by that feeling I can't cough up what is in my lungs.  It feels just like water, nothing heavy really... but I do feel like I have a brick on my chest.  Slow - deep breaths over comes the urge to cough my guts up and I return to normal with in a few minutes.  That is depending of how violent the coughing fit was.  If it was a MASSIVE coughing fit where I gag I usually sweat all over and get very cold and shake for 5 to 10 minutes.  This passes though!  My worst days I was luckily snowed in from work (but I was scared out of my mind that I'd need to call 911 and they couldn't get to me)  I've worked for a week now thinking I was getting better.  I do fine in the day. Get exercise and breathe at least 90% well.  Only to go home eat something and go into a coughing panic and sleep it off.  I've never been woke up by it, only talking, drinking, eating or if I get too hot at work. 

 As I type here I feel just fine and dandy!  As if I had nothing wrong with me except for some minor phlegm in my throat and upper lungs.  (seasonal crud I assumed)  I really have no idea how long I've had this problem though.  It just now has gotten this bad and I'm really scared.  I've thought I had everything from asthma to COPD to even heart failure.  I've ruled just about everything else out and I was really freaking out until I read Ryans posts and it sounded so darn close to what I had.  

The thing that gets me though, I don't really FEEL SICK!  I don't run a temperature all the time (just when I cough I suppose)  I don't have constant muscle aches and pains and it doesn't feel like there really isn't anything wrong with me except that gagging cough that I cant get things up.  I have had diarrhea for days at a time though.  I thought maybe it was a side effect of the OTC cold drugs I was taking mixed with massive amounts of stress.


What do you guys think? Walking Pneumonia? or something more serious?

Help!


Posted By: sleusha
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 9:19pm
What you are describing sounds pretty serious and you need to see a doctor.  Try to find a clinic that works on sliding scale for those who do not have insurance.  If you need to, go to the emergency room.  Most hospital emergency rooms will work with you as far as payments if you don't have insurance.  Some urgent care clinics will too. 

As serious as this sounds, you shouldn't be on the internet looking for advice. Instead, you should be seeking medical help immediately.

Keep us updated, please.  Hope you get to feeling better soon, but you definitely need to see a doctor.   The coughing spell you are describing is serious and needs medical attention.


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 9:33pm
donnie....Welcome to the forum:)

I'm not from med field...am a mom....and some of what you describe is reminiscent of my experience with my daughter...and asthma (whether allergy induced or exercise induced)...especially since you say you do fine during the day, yet have prob @ night.
also,to my knowledge, if it were a pneumonia of some type, I think you most likely would have fever...yet I may be wrong.

Drink a hot cup of tea and maybe take a nice, long steamy shower. (will relax your throat, bronchial tubes, etc.) You may also find that sleeping on two pillows /keeping your head somewhat elevated may assist.

When you cough.....is it productive?
Is phlegm clear? or?

Once the cough starts.....the irritation from coughing...can create more coughing...(haha..if that makes sense)

Am glad you have an appointment to see a physician. Certainly, if you develop additional symptoms or your symptoms worsen, don't hesitate to contact them after hours or seek a walk in clinic.

Something I don't have good understanding of...if you could explain further.
the shaking you said you've had?

what types of OTC drugs are you taking? out of curiosity
Is your nose stuffy?...running?


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 9:37pm
"but I do feel like I have a brick on my chest"

this could be a multitude of things......I'm still thinking asthma
but sleusha's right....internet isn't best place for advice for something which may be  serious.

If you would, pls let us know how your appt goes Mon!!


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 9:43pm
He said he was going or going to call on Monday... and I highly suggest you do DonnieB!  I personally don't think it's pneumonia or anything super serious, but please keep in mind that I am not a dr or a nurse.  Could be irritation from that first choking on bacon spell and the smoking.  Did you say you do or do not wheeze?  Could have aspirated something and you're lungs are just have a hard time recovering from being aggravated.  Could be reflux... when stomach acids come up the esophagus and can get into the airway... it's not uncommon at all for reflux sufferers to have that thing where you constantly feel like you need to clear your throat and tickle coughs.  I have heard of some people having hard coughing fits with theirs, but I don't think that's as common as the tickle cough. 
 
It's not heart failure IMO.  I don't think you're in any immediate danger... again, I'm no medical expert and just giving my opinion... BUT you would be foolish to let this go past Monday... first thing you need is a chest xray to clear you from asthma and/or pneumonia or anything serious like that.  You can also see the size of the heart on a chest xray, which I don't think you'll have a problem with but it'll put your mind at ease at least.
 
I agree with sleusha that you need to stay off the internet searching for symptoms like yours... it'll just scare yourself silly... you could type in just about anything and get anywhere from allergies to a terminal illness.  It's not worth the anxiety. 
 
I wonder if anxiety and panic aren't part of your problem... next time you go to eat something... try something calming first... take some deep breaths, relax... make yourself aware of your body at that moment, swallow and get a feel for it.  Put in just a small amount of food, chew it well and calmly. 
 
There are also issues sometimes with the esophagus where it will spasm and could be reacting like that every time you swallow something, but you'd need a gastroenterologist for treatment for that, it can sometimes feel like you are choking (but you are not) but it can be scary. 


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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 9:46pm

Yes, please let us know how you are!!

T4F, I can kind of understand the breaking out in a sweat and the shaking... it sounds like he's just describing the flush you'd get after a very scary and physically harsh (from the coughing) few moments. 


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Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 9:56pm

Thanks guys!  That was fast.  Yah, I've learned my lesson by searching the internet.. I nearly fell into a panic attack WITH my wife after reading the symptoms of cystic fibrosis.  You can imagine my relief when I found you guys here.  I actually just took a hot bath and that worked great.  I feel good and I don't think I've ever had a fever with this except maybe during the coughing fits.  To answer the questions about shaking..

When I freaked out and coughed violently and thought I might drown in my own lung fluids I started burning up.  I didn't have a dry thread on me, from that and it being cold outside (heater on but still.. every house gets those chilly moments even with the heat blasting) I think my body got cold very quickly and I shook from that.  Hard thing to counter act, cover up - sweat more - shake more - open air - cool off and yep, shake more..  Only time I've shook........(also it ain't manly but I think I was also a bit scared out of my mind and that prolly helped the shaking)

About what I can cough up...  It just looks white... like normal spit.  Nothing really odd about it. and that frustrates me!  If it were an odd color I'd think "I'm sick! there it is!"  but it looks normal to me..  only greenish stuff I can get out of me is from my nose when I blow it.  Thats it.  Again, aside from the coughing I feel fine..  It is very strange... Monday....  I will go to the doc...  And I'll only go HERE in my web searches now.  Even though I got the crap scared out of me by doing the searches at least I found this place.

Thanks guys.


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 10:09pm
Sounds just like a normal reaction/response to stress both emotional and physical... I'm not talking about the kind of stress like "how are we going to pay the mortgage this month"... I'm talking about the coughing fit you had was a sudden emotional and phyical stress on your body.  And flushing like that is a very normal reaction to that... the sweating, feeling hot/cold, tremors -the shaking you are describing. 
 
It's not a feat of heroism but during an episode like that your body can suddenly put out lots of adrenaline and after the "episode" the body's response is that "fever" feeling and the shaking.
 
That's my take on it at least.  But a chest xray won't hurt, like I said the peace of mind it will give you when it comes back clear will be worth the cost.  Also the dr will listen to your breathing and will be able to tell if he hears any fluid or anything else going on in your lungs. 
 
Definitely do not smoke anymore, EVER would be wonderful but for goodness sakes at least till this event is over.  The lungs can be very ornery... tick them off and they stay that way for a while till they calm down, do anything that normally might not make a difference while they are aggravated/irritated and it'll just flare them back up again.
 
Love the hot shower/warm bath/steam idea, very good for those lungs!


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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 06 2010 at 10:13pm
We do have Dr's here on this forum, maybe gardener will come by sometime tomorrow and she can definitely speak more to your symptoms than anyone.

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Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 12:58am
Had a ROUGH couple of hours after I tried to eat potato soup.... ended up just eating bread..  I felt very sick to my stomach but I think it was just because of the otc meds.  BTW those were
Mucinex and Nyquil.  I was taking benidril a few days ago but Mucinex seemed to treat me better.. until tonight... ugg.. I think I just over did it at work... I've eaten half a sandwich and a bowl of pasta...and a bannana..  thats it for today


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 6:41am
well, the banana is gooood:) yet it seems a bit odd that you might feel nauseated after potato soup.
Was it the really good, rich kind?? with real cream and a boat load of butter?
Some people are sensitive to Nyquil (& there's a few different formulations)..maybe you're one of them.

I wish I could hear your cough.!!  haha..such a Mom statement, pls forgive me.

Ask your wife to gently place her forefingers at your throat (from behind) and you swallow.....any particular pain?? near the adams apple? or just a feeling of normal resistance? when swallowing.
I guess where I'm going with that too..is..
do your lymph nodes/glands in side of your neck seem swollen?

Gingerale & saltine crackers go a long way in soothing a queezy stomach....

Hope your day today is much better! (Even if it is...you'll still want to see and consult with a physician to have a better idea of what's going on)


Hang in there!


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 6:54am
"About what I can cough up...  It just looks white... like normal spit"

donnie....white...as in clear?
or white as in like?
"milky colored"?

am helping clarify..for others

T4F




Posted By: Pickwicky
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 12:28pm
Hi Donnie--going back to your working conditions: the smoke, the grease, etc. --that may be the culprit.  Smoke plus grease plus lungs fail the good friends test--it's one of those deadly triangles.  You may have irritated both upper repiratory and GI tract.  Also, this problem may have you so on edge that it doesn't take much to tip you over into a panic attack.  Try 'square breathing'--count to four while inhaling, hold breath for count of four, exhale to count of four, and hold (no breath) for count of four---then repeat for several minutes. 
 
We'll be waiting to hear what your doc says.  Good luck. 


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 1:21pm
Ok, Back from the ER.  I couldn't wait after I woke up today and felt AWFUL.  I normally love potato soup but I just couldn't get anything down last night and this morning my guts were still in bad shape.

So at the ER and I tell the Dr all what happened, I get Xrays done and they all come back fine!  They tell me my lungs look great and my heart was also fine.  They checked my pulse at least 4 times and blood pressure.  They said aside from what I told them I was in great health!  The diagnosis?
Bronchitis.  I was given 6 days worth of Antibiotics and 10 days worth of steroids. (I'd have to read the packs to see what the name of them are) and and inhaler if needed.  I then went to the local hardees and ate a burger and fries.  It was the first time I've eaten a lot of food in days it seems.  The Drs told me I was panicking too much and I should be fine in a few days. 

Thanks for the kind words guys!  Also they asked me about colored phlegm and bronchitis seemed  to be the only thing that fit with nearly no color to it at all.  I can't take my first steroid pill because it says my stomach has to be empty.  Doh!

I'll keep you guys posted, as for now it is another hot bath and then the couch to watch the Super Bowl.  Ironic thing, the ER I went to was Saint Marys Hospital.... which Peyton Manning is a spokesmen for...  Go figure!


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 1:39pm
Glad to hear you got some answers!!  That helps more than anything sometimes and glad to hear they treated you with respect and really listened to you.
 
Don't stop taking the antibiotics even if you start to feel better, finish the course you were prescribed.
 
So the food from Hardees went down ok?  If so, do you think part of your problem was panic? 
 
Thanks so much for sharing your story with us and keeping us updated, others could find your post someday and maybe it'll help them as well.


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Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 2:50pm
Exactly like Ryans posts helped me out.  One reason I decided to document this.  I wouldn't want to wish this on anyone!  I did some quick searches of Bronchitis and found Dairy does cause problems for folks with it.  That potato soup was VERY creamy..(good tasting but omg)  The burger went down just fine!  My wife asked me after I ate "would you want a milk shake?!"  I said "NOOOOOOO"  lol  Just finished the hot bath, feel better now.  The doc also told me my sinus' were swollen and that is what happens to your airways too.  So that makes a LOT of sense.  Now that my food as went down I can take that other pill that needs an empty stomach.  I also had 2 normal bowel movements today.. donno how.. I've eaten nearly nothing in 24 hours..  Again, I'll keep posting until I've gotten better!

Thanks!


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 3:08pm
Drink lots of fluids too, will help keep the mucus thinned out and flowing.

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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 4:06pm
I am also recovering from bronchitis right now. I just finished my last steroid today and have 3 more days of Levaquin to take.  I had a horrible cough, but didn't cough anything up either. They also gave me 3 breathing treatments and a steroid shot when I was in the ER one week ago today, the breathing treatments helped alot. I thought I was having trouble with my asthma when I went in, but my lungs were clear and oxygen sat was 98%.  You will feel better soon with the antibiotics and steroids!


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 4:23pm
So sick to my stomach now, feel a bit like I did last night.  I don't know if it is the drugs or just me trying to get over this.  So far I've only eaten that burger and fries today.

Think it would be ok to drink Ensure?


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 4:35pm
ok, I needed some calories - I drank the ensure.  It doesn't have real dairy in it.  So far so good.  The doc didn't say much about bronchitis making you sick to you stomach.  This is normal, right?


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 5:12pm
Oh God, this is rough..  I don't know what was worse.. feeling actually sick or the flat out jitteryness and shakyness of these meds.. I guess the first day is the hardest.. Any words of encouragement?  I actually feel like I've been drinking booze..   dizzy.. restless.. scared of maybe something else is wrong with me..   I'm going to try to sleep awhile, I'll drink somemore water and lay down... 4 hours to go till I take the rest of my meds for today.   I keep getting these odd "poke" feelings in my chest behind my heart and randomly across my chest.   That normal too?

*Edit*
I've still not had to use the inhaler... I'd prefer not to if I can.. I've felt a bit short of breath a few times but it passed quickly.. and now that I know about the swelling, I do notice my sinus' clog up a bit when this happens.  I guess it really is bronchitis!  No one keeps this forever, do they?  I'm scared I might get stuck like this..  (Dumb I know but I ain't thinking clearly right now)
*double edit*
I just got up from the pc and I noticed I AM SOAKED.  I've sweat the whole time!  I didn't even notice!  I had to change cloths...  I also weighed my self (they didn't do that at the ER.. odd)  I seem to have lost about 15 lbs over the past few days.. I've not eaten much though... rest.... need rest...


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 5:39pm
Those steroids can make you feel jittery and restless... read the info sheet that came with each med and you'll see.  The antibiotic can cause nausea too, well some of them do... like I said read the info sheet the pharmacy provided, look under the common side effects. 
 
Hang in there, it's probably the steroids making you feel so anxious.  If you aren't used to them they can really mess with you.
 
If you can list the names of your steriod and antibiotic here.
 
Also take it easy on your stomach... maybe Hardees was too much too soon... stay away from spicy, fatty, rich foods for a day or two till your stomach can settle.  Think more bland and simple. 


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Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 07 2010 at 6:06pm
Methylprednisolone and Doxycycline HYC.  I just read that both of those cause diarrhea too.. noooo!  I just had to take a shot of the inhaler... had a coughing fit (was nearly manageable though but felt out of breath)
I'm twitchy all over.. I just noticed my coughs smell bad now... good sign?  I know burger wasn't prolly best choice but I was so happy to eat something and my stomach said "ok! send it in!" I've had to bottles of ensure now... going back to lay down..  restless.. breathless... burning up....


Posted By: Pickwicky
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 11:55am
Dry toast (no butter, no jam) and tea (no sugar, no milk)--you're adding to your problem by eating rich foods.  Ensure is loaded. 
 
Donnie--calm down and collect yourself.  Your're compounding your bronchitis with anxiety.  If you were dangerously ill, the ER doc wouldn't have sent you home.  Prednisone can make some people restless, sleepless, and anxious.  The antibiotic can upset your stomach. 
 
Sweating is probably anxiety.  Take your temperature--if you're "burning up" over 100 degrees, then go back to ER.


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 1:53pm
Just feel nauseous all the time now.  When I sleep it feels fine but the moment I wake up I can feel my stomach begin to churn.  Empty or not.  I just took a nap for 2 hours and I have to return to work for a few hours.  I was quite emotional earlier but I read that is a side effect of the drugs.  I could probably do great if it wasnt for my stomach.  Should I take some pepto?  perhaps that will fix that problem. 

Can I live off of just toast?  I need to eat some calories, I know the ensure isnt a good choice but I have to do something to get food in me.  I am losing weight.  


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 2:18pm

If it were me I would not drink the Ensure... those drinks are not meant for a sick stomach.  I'm surprised to hear they don't have milk in them, are you sure?

The B.R.A.T. diet is always recommended when your stomach is queasy... Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, Toast...
 
Some other suggestions... chicken noodle soup, ramen noodles, baked potato plain, scrambled eggs cooked with Pam not butter -even though a dairy product I've always found my kids could tolerate them. 
 
Eat smaller meals more frequently thoughout the day rather than three big meals spaced far apart... usually a sick stomach will feel worse if it's empty... now that's if you're just nauseous and not actually throwing up.  If you start to throw up it's a whole different story... for vomiting you rest the stomach with nothing but sips of water for the first 24 hrs or as long as the vomiting persists... afterward you reintroduce clear liquids then if that is tolerated and the vomiting doesn't come back you introduce plain foods like the BRAT diet a little at a time or as tolerated. 
 
But that's usually the case for people with a stomach virus that will run it's course in 24 to 36 hrs... what we are assuming you have is nausea due to your antibiotics.  Make sure you follow the directions with each med, but maybe taking the antibiotic with something to eat and not on an empty stomach would help.
 
Other than that, and trying to tough it out till the antibiotic is gone, there's really not much else you can do besides going into a clinic/dr's office and they can prescribe phenergan or something similiar... which is an anti-nausea drug, works wonders for some and not at all for others.
 
 


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Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 2:42pm
Ensure ingredients(per their site) below


 Jen's right!!! BRAT diet..MUCH betterClap
maybe add soups,broths,lite things for a day or 2...let your system settle.

If you're a cook.....eating "on the fly" is often the norm isn't it?
Try to set aside time in the morning for a relaxing mealtime(oatmeal,toast,water/juice) & one in the evening.....
eat very slowly.......try to take 20- 30 minutes.
(you'd be surprised how quickly we all tend eat......and don't even realize it!!)

Ensure:
Looks like corn syrup...and bunch of Tongue

Ingredients http://ensure.com/products/ensure# - []

WATER, CORN MALTODEXTRIN, SUGAR (SUCROSE), CORN SYRUP, MILK PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, COCOA POWDER (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), SOY OIL, SHORT-CHAIN FRUCTOOLIGOSACCHARIDES, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, CANOLA OIL. LESS THAN 0.5% OF: CORN OIL, CALCIUM PHOSPHATE, POTASSIUM CITRATE, SOY LECITHIN, MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE, MAGNESIUM PHOSPHATE, SODIUM CITRATE, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS, SALT (SODIUM CHLORIDE), CARRAGEENAN, CHOLINE CHLORIDE, ASCORBIC ACID, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, DL-ALPHA-TOCOPHERYL ACETATE, ZINC SULFATE, NIACINAMIDE, FERROUS SULFATE, CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, CUPRIC SULFATE, MANGANESE SULFATE, CHROMIUM CHLORIDE, FD&C RED #3, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, THIAMINE CHLORIDE HYDROCHLORIDE, PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID, BIOTIN, SODIUM SELENATE, POTASSIUM IODIDE, SODIUM MOLYBDATE, PHYLLOQUINONE, CYANOCOBALAMIN, AND VITAMIN D3.
CONTAINS MILK AND SOY INGREDIENTS; LACTOSE- AND GLUTEN-FREE.

http://ensure.com/products/ensure



Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 2:45pm
SHORT-CHAIN FRUCTOOLIGOSACCHARIDES

Geekwhat in the world are these????

haha.....pls forgive me
I tend to try to find something humorous in most everything:)


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 7:25pm
LOL  Yah, you guys are right.  Dang, with the cook statement you nailed me.   I usually pile the food in when I can on the fly.  I usually eat a LOT in a short amount of time.  It is so frustrating to not be able to do that.   That is one of the reasons I went to the ER anyway, that Saturday night I couldnt eat anything.  I thought if I dont eat I will die!  The doc didnt even say much about my upset stomach but if I do have something wrong with my stomach, it probably needs to just run its course.  I took some pepto earlier and I am feeling better now. 

About the ensure, yea... I usually am the kind of person to stay away from ingredients like that but I was desperate for vitamins and minerals.  I could not even get a banana down today..

Today was my wost day so far.  I was panicked, emotional (felt like crying over silly things) stomach hurt BAD but I really didnt have diarrhea.  I did manage to get some chicken noodle soup down me earlier and some crackers.  That has been the most I have ate today.  I am going to try to have some rice and some pan seared chicken on a bun later.  Very dry and bland..   Aside from water what else could I drink that might be beneficial to me?  Vitamin water?  I have seemed to have lost about 20 lbs in the past week.  I know it is only day 2 of my drugs and I should not expect a miraculous recovery but I have just felt SO BAD today.  My stomach and guts have been the number 1 problem.  I napped today and the moment I woke up I felt my guts begin to boil and bubble.  Been going in and out of that all day.  My coughing has actually felt more productive - meaning I seemed to have coughed up some things with the sort of coughs before that did nothing.  Just my guts hurt right now..  I still have 3 pills to take...  and it is 10:30 pm..   one other thing: when I felt SO sick today my hands and feet were freezing!   Just a bad nausea spell I suppose.

ps: I apologize for my lack of apostrophes.  When I push that button my browser pulls up the search function for some reason.. time for a reboot


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 7:59pm
My personal opinion is that it's the steriods making you feel emotional and jittery... but I don't know you so you may tend to be a more emotional guy anyway, which is ok, there's nothing wrong with that at all. 
 
Good drinks: water, gatorade/powerade, some juices like white grape... some people have trouble with juices like orange juice or apple... they are very acidic and not good on an upset tummy, but other people do ok with them, you just got to experiment w/ what works for you.  You should probably at least add some gatorade for the potassium/electrolytes.
 
If your stomach troubles aren't antibiotic related then it's probably a bug that like you said will pass eventually.  But if it goes on well past the ending of your antibiotics you'll probably need to be reevaluated.
 
I wonder why they chose Doxycycline HYC?  Maybe it's cheaper than a Zpak, which would have been the best choice I think, but expensive and since you said you didn't have insurance that may have been why.  I think I took that one time and had to call my dr for a change it gave me severe stomach cramps.


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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 8:03pm
This info from webmd says to take it on an empty stomach, but then says if it causes upset take it with food but it may not work as well and it says not to take with anything rich in calcium.
 
 
How to use Doxycycline Hyclate Oral

This medication is best taken by mouth on an empty stomach, at least 1 hour before or 2 hours after a meal, usually 1 or 2 times daily or as directed by your doctor. Take this medication with a full glass of water (8 ounces/240 milliliters) unless directed otherwise. If stomach upset occurs, taking it with food or milk may help. However, doxycycline may not work as well if you take it with food or milk (or anything high in calcium - more details below ), so ask your doctor or pharmacist if you may take it that way. Do not lie down for 30 minutes after taking this medication.

Take this medication 2 to 3 hours before or after taking any products containing aluminum, calcium, iron, magnesium, zinc, or bismuth subsalicylate. Some examples include antacids, certain forms of didanosine (chewable/dispersible buffered tablets or pediatric oral solution), quinapril, vitamins/minerals, dairy products (such as milk, yogurt), and calcium-enriched juice. These products bind with doxycycline, preventing your body from fully absorbing the drug.

When using to prevent malaria, this medication is usually taken once daily. Take the first dose of this medication 1 to 2 days before travel or as directed by your doctor. Continue to take this medication daily while in the malarious area. Upon returning home, you should keep taking this medication for 4 more weeks. If you are unable to finish this course of doxycycline, contact your doctor.

If you are using the liquid form of this medication, shake the bottle well before each dose. Carefully measure the dose using a special measuring device/spoon. Do not use a household spoon because you may not get the correct dose.

The dosage is based on your medical condition and response to treatment. For children, the dosage may also be based on weight.

Antibiotics work best when the amount of medicine in your body is kept at a constant level. Therefore, take this drug at evenly spaced intervals.

Continue to take this medication until the full prescribed amount is finished, even if symptoms disappear after a few days. Stopping the medication too early may allow bacteria to continue to grow, which may result in a return of the infection.

Tell your doctor if your condition persists or worsens.



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Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 8:09pm
Just a little bit more info this time from Walgreens... I noticed a pattern now of advise to not take this antibiotic with certain minerals and bismuth is one of them, that's in Pepto... so you'd better be careful...
 
 

How to Use This Medicine: Follow the directions for using this medicine provided by your doctor. TAKE THIS MEDICINE ON AN EMPTY STOMACH at least 1 hour before or 2 hours after eating unless otherwise directed by your doctor. THIS MEDICINE MAY BE TAKEN WITH FOOD if it upsets your stomach. However, certain foods such as milk and dairy products may decrease the absorption of this medicine. If this medicine upsets your stomach, check with your doctor or pharmacist to see if you should take it with food. Certain medicines may also bind with doxycycline preventing its full absorption. To avoid this problem, take doxycycline 2-3 hours before or after taking any medicines containing magnesium, aluminum, calcium, iron, or zinc. Some examples include quinapril, didanosine, vitamins/minerals, antacids, sucralfate, and bismuth subsalicylate. TAKE THIS MEDICINE with a full glass (8 oz./240 ml) of water. DO NOT LIE DOWN for 30 minutes after taking this medicine. STORE THIS MEDICINE at room temperature, away from heat and light. TO CLEAR UP YOUR INFECTION COMPLETELY, continue taking this medicine for the full course of treatment even if you feel better in a few days. Do not miss any doses. IF YOU MISS A DOSE OF THIS MEDICINE, take it as soon as possible. If it is almost time for your next dose, skip the missed dose and go back to your regular dosing schedule. Do not take 2 doses at once.

Possible Side Effects: SIDE EFFECTS that may occur while taking this medicine include loss of appetite, nausea, sensitivity to sunlight, or vomiting. If they continue or are bothersome, check with your doctor. CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE if you experience decreased urination; dark urine; yellowing of the skin or eyes; fever, chills, or sore throat; unusual tiredness; severe or persistent headache; throat irritation; or vaginal irritation or discharge. CONTACT YOUR DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY if you experience bloody stools; chest pain; severe diarrhea; stomach pain or cramps; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual joint pain; vision changes; swelling of your hands, legs, face, lips, eyes, or throat; trouble swallowing; or hoarseness. An allergic reaction to this medicine is unlikely, but seek immediate medical attention if it occurs. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include rash, hives, itching, swelling, severe dizziness, or trouble breathing. This is not a complete list of all side effects that may occur. If you have questions about side effects, contact your healthcare provider. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088.
 
 
http://www.walgreens.com/marketing/library/finddrug/druginfo1.html?particularDrug=Doxycycline&id=18498 - http://www.walgreens.com/marketing/library/finddrug/druginfo1.html?particularDrug=Doxycycline&id=18498


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Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 8:11pm
bismuth subsalicylate....Geek..is this the ingredient in Pepto?

some additional drinks to consider:Gingerale,cranberry lite

D, you said you had 3 pills to take tonight: .....pred, antibiotic....which was 3rd? I didn't notice in my casual reading

<edit> sorry Jen....I didn't see your post b4 I posted
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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 8:15pm
I always take meds with food and it usually helps to not have an upset stomach. The steroids can make you "jittery" I don't sleep very well whenever I am on them, I stay up until 3 or 4 in the morning and only require a couple of hours of sleep at a time.


Posted By: Jen147
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 8:24pm
That's ok T4, I'd like to know what the 3rd pill is too. 

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Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 9:02pm
Do not lay down for 30 minutes after taking.. DOH!  I didn't know that part!  I didn't read that part.... I took it before bed last night...

I drank the cap of pepto and I felt a LOT better!  I was able to eat my chicken, rice and even some boiled carrots.  After I ate I felt like my sinus' were closing up again and it was hard to breathe..  I started to grab the inhaler but thought I'd wait 3 or 5 minutes to see if it passed.  It did!  I took my 3rd methylprednisolone as directed after I ate, drank nothing but 4 glasses of water and had several semi productive coughs.  Now I just have to stay up till 3am...  I have to wait till 1:30 - 2am to take my next doxyc and then stay up 30 minutes to let that work and take my last 2 methylpreblahblahblah.

I really thank you guys for the help.  I'm really "needy" today.  About sick to my stomach -  I was feeling this before I went to the ER.  Saturday night I was sick as a dog and today I was about as sick ALL DAY until I had the pepto.  I'll probably wait till at least 2am because of the pepto I had at about 10:30  If my stomach is upset at bed its ok, I'll sleep it off..

So, tomorrow I should wake up, take my Doxyc- wait an hour and take my methablahblah before breakfast   wait 2 hours THEN take some pepto if I'm sick...   Its ok to have the methablahblah in between pepto doses (2 hours perhaps?) so I can eat?

Also, I've been taking several deeeep breaths and had a harsh central chest pain.. I'm assuming it is from inflamed bronchial tubes (like my sinus' and coughing)

I'm going to lay down now for a few hours and let my food digest.  Keep asking questions guys, I'll answer anyting ya want to know.

Wish me luck..  So far my stomach feels better and my guts are settled but now I am having breathing problems again.  If it isn't one thing it is another!


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 9:18pm
For the record - Today I:

Well last night it was my first day of doses so it was a bit off.. they said that would be fine as long as I got it all in me.  I took a lot of my pills (methylblahblah) in 3 doses through out the day after meals and took my first DoxyC on an empty stomach both times.  The one last night though I took and feel asleep with in about 20 minutes.  I fell alseep listening to a radio show.  Doh.  (I was trying to stay up awhile) and I also took both of my other methlyblahblahs


Today I:
Woke up at 10:50 and took my DoxyC and drank plenty of water... (I was VERY sick to my stomach all day)  I took my 2 methlyblahblahs before my breakfast at 12:40ish or 1:30ish...  I ate baked bread with light cheese and tried a soda so I could burp.. (I was already feeling sick to my stomach) I became VERY ill.. Read above posts... became emotional...  felt like I would never get any better and felt like crying.  I drank an ensure and  took a nap at 2:30 and slept until about 4:10..  I ate some... (don't hit me..) beef bratworst on a bun drank an ensure and took my other methlyblahblah. @ 5ish (It was left over from the superbowl and I was needing something quick)  I sat around awhile, posted here, drank LOTS of water....  and at 7ish I had a whole bowl of chicken noodle soup and about 10 crackers.  I again had some soda but my total soda intake today didn't even equal half a can... I couldn't get it down.. And I only drank it to try to burp to get my stomach to settle.  I felt better after the soup for about an hour.... then my guts felt bad again.  I took a bath at 8:30... and heard my guts grumble lots in the tub.  I took a cap full of Pepto and OMG RELIEF!!!  At 11:10 I had pan seared chicken, carrots and RICE!  (RICE GOOOOD)   I ate nearly a whole chicken breast flattened out...  It was great. I've felt good all this time... for the exception of my breathing now...   ugg..   I'll lay down, wait 2 hours and take my doxyC and then wait 30+ minutes and take my last 2 methlyblahblahs and go to bed...  Hope the radio show is good tonight.  lol




 Now I just burped and got a bit of heartburn.. Ah well... I will tough it out and not take the pepto.  I'll try to only take the pepto once a day.




Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 9:23pm
Sorry for triple posting but I just asked my wife about the doxyC and why did I get that one..  The reason was the Dr just prescribed something like it.  And the EXACT med written the pharmacy didn't carry and DoxyC was all they had.

Also because of insurance reasons I may have gotten it too. 


Posted By: DonnieB
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 9:42pm
ok scratch that time.. I am gonna eat again!  I am hungry whooo hoo!  I will just have to stay up later.. np.


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 5:35am
LOLbeef bratworst.......

Sending a Hug to your wife....

As "Mom" drops off d @ school & says "Make good choices"

Smile


Posted By: thanks4forum
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 5:50am
nothing awakens the culinary senses...like a beef Bratwurst on a bun & an Ensure

I feel sick now......Wacko


Posted By: Pickwicky
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 11:25am
Donnie--IF IT IS TRUE THAT YOU HAVE LOST 20 LBS IN ONE WEEK THEN YOU MUST BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF YOUR DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY.  STOP EATING EVERYTHING YOU'RE EATING UNTIL YOU TELL YOUR DOCTO--WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN YESTERDAY.  ARE YOU PULLING OUR COLLECTIVE LEGS?  20 LBS IN ONE WEEK? 



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