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    Posted: September 24 2009 at 2:03am

Seasonal flu shot may increase H1N1 risk

Last Updated: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 | 10:03 PM ET 

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Across Canada, public health authorities are fiercely debating the idea of shortening, delaying or scrapping their seasonal flu vaccination campaign in favour of mass inoculation against H1N1. (Greg Baker/AP Photo)

Preliminary research suggests the seasonal flu shot may put people at greater risk for getting swine flu, CBC News has learned.

"This is some evidence that has been floated. It hasn't been validated yet, it's very preliminary," cautioned Dr. Don Low, microbiologist-in-chief at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto.

"This is obviously important data to help guide policy decisions. How can we best protect people against influenza?"

It's important to validate the information to make sure it's not just a fluke, and that the observation is confirmed elsewhere such as in the Southern Hemisphere, which just completed its seasonal flu season, Low added.

Four Canadian studies involved about 2,000 people, health officials told CBC News. Researchers found people who had received the seasonal flu vaccine in the past were more likely to get sick with the H1N1 virus.

Researchers know that, theoretically, when people are exposed to bacteria or a virus, it can stimulate the immune system to create antibodies that facilitate the entry of another strain of the virus. Dengue fever is one example, Low said.

No seasonal flu shot?

The latest finding raises questions about the order in which to get flu shots.

Across Canada, public health authorities are debating the idea of shortening, delaying or scrapping their seasonal flu vaccination campaign in favour of mass inoculation against H1N1.

The main reason is that H1N1 may be the dominant strain of influenza circulating when the fall flu season hits, meaning it could be a waste of time and resources to mount a seasonal flu vaccine campaign.

Health authorities in Quebec are considering cancelling or postponing seasonal flu shots for some groups, such as healthy, younger adults.

The Public Health Agency of Canada says it's up to provinces and territories to decide on when to roll out flu shots.

"We don't know with this year's flu shot how it interacts with the pandemic flu shot, so it's a worry," said Dr. Michael Gardam, director of infectious diseases prevention and control at the Ontario Agency for Health Protection and Promotion.

Seasonal flu could also appear after Christmas, said Dr. David Scheifele, director of the vaccine evaluation centre at B.C. Children's Hospital in Vancouver.

In Thornhill, Ont., Melissa Cass, who usually gets an annual flu shot to protect herself, had been planning to get one this year for her one-year-old daughter, Aliya, as well.

"You have a baby, you sort of want to protect them from everything possible. So if you can protect them from some things, why not?" Cass said.

But this year, she may not get any shots.

"If I knew that it was a risk to get H1N1, I wouldn't get any of them," she told CBC News. "I would just be as I am and just, you know, take all the precautions I possibly can for flus, and that's it."

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Quote sleusha Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 4:52am
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Quote Penham Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 4:56am

I know!  I actually hadn't got around to getting my seasonal flu shot, was supposed to get it last week and didn't. Now, I will think a bit more on it. I usually get one every year. I have a few more days to think as I won't have time to get in to get one until next week anyway.

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Quote sleusha Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 5:15am
Here's a possible contradiction. 
 
Manufacturers to blend swine flu vax into seasonal shot
September 24, 2009 — 7:09am ET | By John Carroll
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After the vaccine industry gears up for the huge global campaign against swine flu this fall, the World Health Organization is expected to ask major manufacturers to blend their swine flu vaccines into the annual supply of seasonal influenza vaccines. The A/H1N1 strain that has triggered health alarms around the world is now the dominant A flu virus in circulation.
This year swine flu appeared after the big manufacturers were already well into the production of seasonal flu vaccines. But with planning expected to begin soon on the 2010 seasonal vaccine for the Southern Hemisphere, researchers are already expecting to get orders to prepare a single jab that also guards against A/H1N1.
Once the preparatory work begins, scientists say that it is likely that the next swine flu vaccine will be somewhat different than the one being produced now. Flu viruses typically mutate, a process called antigen drift.
 
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Quote jastx30 Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 8:27am
And now the panic starts for seasonal flu vaccination.
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Quote sleusha Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 2:58pm
In wake of study concerns, Ontario delays seasonal flu shots for all but +65

By Helen Branswell Medical Reporter (CP) – 5 minutes ago

TORONTO — Faced with puzzling but unconfirmed evidence that suggests a seasonal flu shot may raise the risk of catching swine flu, Ontario announced Thursday it is rescheduling its seasonal flu vaccine program to delay most of it until after pandemic vaccine has been administered.

At a news conference in Toronto, Dr. Arlene King, the province's chief medical officer of health, said the seasonal and pandemic vaccines will be delivered in three waves, starting in October.

People 65 and older, who have been largely spared by swine flu but who are at greater risk from seasonal flu, will be offered seasonal shots then. When the pandemic vaccine becomes available in November, all in Ontario who want to be vaccinated will be given access to those shots.

Once the pandemic vaccination effort is completed, Ontario plans to resume the seasonal flu shot program, which offers free vaccination to anyone who wants it. By then, said Dr. Vivek Goel, president of the Ontario Agency for Health Protection and Promotion, the questions about a possible link between seasonal shots and swine flu infection may have been answered.

Drawn from a series of studies from British Columbia, Quebec and Ontario, the findings appear to suggest that people who got a seasonal flu shot last year are about twice as likely to catch swine flu as people who didn't. The findings haven't yet been published and few people have actually seen them.

But they have been looming like a spectre over decisions about vaccine delivery timing in Canada and are a source of consternation internationally.

"This has been a very difficult decision," King said in an interview. "This has been difficult for everyone across the country."

The head of the World Health Organization's vaccine research initiative, Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny, said Thursday that researchers in the U.S., Britain and Australia have looked for the same effect and have not observed it.

People who have seen the unpublished scientific paper say the elevated risk - if it exists - is only that people who've had flu shots catch swine flu. It does not suggest they get more severe disease.

King admitted adjustments had been made, both to deal with the concerns raised by the unpublished study and the worries that there may be a double pronged flu season, with swine flu hitting children and adults under 60 or so and seasonal flu viruses targeting people over 65.

"Is it typical that we adjust our program? No it isn't typical. But we are not dealing with a typical flu season this year," King said.

Influenza expert Dr. Allison McGeer said the compromise makes sense.

"It's a reasonable balance," said McGeer, who is head of infection control at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital. "(But) it has some obvious logistical challenges."

McGeer acknowledged there was discussion about whether giving seasonal shots to seniors in October might actually spark more infections in that age group, if the effect seen in the unpublished paper is valid. But she said on balance it was thought that the risk seasonal flu viruses pose to this group outweighed the theoretical risk the studies showed.

And King noted that in the troubling data, the effect was not seen in people 65 and older.

Earlier in the week when it first emerged that some provinces were thinking of delaying their seasonal flu shot delivery efforts, a number of provinces expressed hope a pan-Canadian approach could be adopted.

King said that would have been desirable, if it were possible, but it became apparent that different jurisdictions were weighing factors differently and a one-size-fits-all solution seemed out of reach.

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Quote BabyGirl Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 6:37pm

Unpublished study raises questions about flu shot

Updated: Wed Sep. 23 2009 10:08:01 PM
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An unpublished scientific study is raising questions about whether getting a seasonal flu shot raises the risk of contracting H1N1, but the evidence is unconfirmed and few have actually read the report.

"It appears to be that for people who got seasonal influenza vaccine last year, they were at greater risk of getting H1N1 disease this year," Dr. Donald Low, an infectious diseases expert at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital, told CTV News.

The study is based on research in British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec. Health organizations around the world are watching the results carefully, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.

"It is difficult to speak about a study that has yet to be published, however, as this is an important issue involving the subject of seasonal influenza and the fast-moving global pandemic of 2009 H1N1 influenza it is important to note the scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have not seen this effect in systems we have reviewed in the United States," spokesperson Joe Quimby told The Canadian Press in an email.

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Quote BabyGirl Replybullet Posted: September 24 2009 at 6:38pm
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Quote jastx30 Replybullet Posted: September 25 2009 at 6:43am

This was on my local NBC affiliate (in Dallas, TX) this morning, but it keeps mentioning last year's seasonal vaccine (which I personally didn't get). Are we supposed to infer that there is a concern that getting a seasonal vaccine this year may yield similar results?

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Quote Jen147 Replybullet Posted: September 25 2009 at 6:49am
Buy why?  What is it about having the seasonal flu shot from last year or this year for that matter that would make a person more susceptable? 
 
I hope we are able to follow this one closely to see what finally comes of it.. thanks so much babygirl and sleusha for all the digging you two do!!!!
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Quote jastx30 Replybullet Posted: September 25 2009 at 7:36am
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Buy why?  What is it about having the seasonal flu shot from last year or this year for that matter that would make a person more susceptable? 
 
I hope we are able to follow this one closely to see what finally comes of it.. thanks so much babygirl and sleusha for all the digging you two do!!!!
 
I think it's not simply a susceptibility to swine flu, though; it has more to do with an overall susceptibility. I think this quote in the article shows that:
 
Researchers know that, theoretically, when people are exposed to bacteria or a virus, it can stimulate the immune system to create antibodies that facilitate the entry of another strain of the virus.
 
I think this is why many people claim that they get the flu soon after getting the vaccine. You either get a vaccine strain before the immunity has built up (those 7-10 days following the shot) or another strain not included in the vaccine, but, theoretically, getting the shot has "left you open" to getting another strain.
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